Where there is no reasonable hope of ultimate profit for the company. Loss of substratum [35] The Petitioner had tried to show that Barry was the one who led the Company with his expertise and when Barry passed away, the Company had lost its core and substratum. The Petitioner had also submitted that it was Barry who had built the Company’s team and after the 2nd Respondent took control, a substantial part of the core team resigned and the Company was not what it used to be. However, as correctly pointed out by the 2nd Respondent, these allegations are all bare claims and not supported by evidence. [36] Barry had passed away in 2018. The winding up petition was only filed in 2023, which is five (5) years later. During these five (5) years, the Company still continues to be active. There is also nothing to show that the Company has deviated from its main object. The Company continues to undertake the same business for which it was incorporated. [37] As regards to the allegation that a substantial part of the core team had resigned, the Petitioner did not show any proof or gave any supporting details of such mass resignations. As pointed out by the 2nd Respondent, there were only four (4) resignations that had actually taken place: - • Yu Ong Siang (Operation Manager); • Poon Poh Wong (Mechanical Manager); • Lim Sze Hue (Maintenance Consultant); • Aini Ling (General Manager). These four (4) resignations occurred in 2020, which is some 2 years after Barry has passed away. The reasons for the resignations were also not related to that fact that Barry had passed away. These reasons include matters such as career change, retirement and family reasons. By and large, the current team at the Company remains the same. [38] The Petitioner had also contended that the reason the proposed acquisition by Envista did not materialize was due to the fact that Barry had passed away and that there were no requisite talent or technical skills left in the Company. However, this allegation is also not supported by any documentary evidence. As such, in the absence any supporting evidence, it is not possible to make any such assumption or conclusion. [39] As regards to the Petitioner’s contention that the Company has deteriorated after Barry’s passing and that the Company’s profits (unaudited) have been far lower since then, the 2nd Respondent had provided a comparison table of the Company’s income and profit from 2015 to 2024 (“Exhibit A-13” at Enclosure 50) as follows: - Year Revenue Net Profit 2016 5,475,441 201,729 2017 4,703,461 (749,384) 2018 4,281,386 383,851 2019 3,458,525 (716,980) 2020 3,437,368 506,459.06 2021 2,178,044.3 285,424.61 2022 1,367,769.7 (694,535.24) 2023 1,700,512.78 (389,037.78) 2024 2,535,149.97 157,338.61 The 2nd Respondent had admitted that 2019 was challenging as Barry had passed away the year before. However, the Company had recovered in 2020 and had made a profit of RM 506,459.06. However, the period of 2021 - 2022 were challenging due to the Covid pandemic. Things improved thereafter and the Company posted profits in 2023 and 2024. [40] The facts show that even after Barry has passed away, the Company continues to be active. There does not appear to be any loss of substratum as alleged by the Petitioner. There is also nothing to show that the main purpose or object of the Company for which it was formed is gone or has been abandoned. Save for the dip in profits during the pandemic period, there is also nothing to suggest or support the claim that the Company is deteriorating or losing its value. [41] In Re Goodwealth Trading Pte Ltd [1991] 2 MLJ 314, the Court in Singapore held: - “… A company's substratum is the main object which it was formed to achieve. If its main object was to carry on a certain business, and it is no longer able to carry on that business, its substratum is gone, and any member may petition for a winding-up order on the just and equitable ground … a court must determine the real object for which the company was formed, and will allow a winding-up petition if this object has to all intents and purposes been abandoned.” [42] Similarly, in Liew Jui Hua & Ors v Johor Property (M) Sdn Bhd [1998] 2 CLJ Supp 34, the Court explained the failure of the substratum of a company as follows: - “A failure of substratum. This would be in a situation where the whole substratum of the company has gone down the drain … The substratum has been held to be gone when the main object for which the company was formed has become impracticable …” [43] However, in this particular case, I do not find any basis to support the contention that there is a loss of substratum where the main object or purpose of the Company is gone or abandoned, as suggested by the authorities of Re Goodwealth Trading Pte Ltd and Liew Jui Hua & Ors v Johor Property (M) Sdn Bhd. Management breakdown and deadlock [44] I find it hard to accept the Petitioner’s contention that there is a breakdown in the management of the Company due to the fact that the Petitioner is not involved in the day-to-day operations. As correctly pointed out by the 1st Respondent, it is the Petitioner himself who chose not to participate in the Company. The Petitioner had clearly admitted in the winding up petition that he has no interest in the Company or the business: - “18. The Petitioner had, since his father’s passing, informed the 2nd Respondent that the Petitioner and his sister, Mardi who are the beneficiaries have no interest in their late father’s forensic business and had offered to sell all the late Barry Ian Dillon’s shares in the 1st Respondent Company to the 2nd Respondent or to a third party, with the consent of the 2nd Respondent. The Petitioner and Mardi are not based in Malaysia and do not have the technical scientific skills to be involved in the business of the 1st Respondent Company.” [45] It is quite clear that from the time the Petitioner was appointed as a director in 2018, he has never shown any interest to carry out his duty as a director, nor has he shown any interest in the business. Despite his concerns as to the mismanagement of the Company’s accounts and how the Company is now solely managed by the 2nd Respondent, he has never attempted to call for a director’s meeting nor was he physically present in the office. He has never requested to be involved in the management of the Company. [46] On the Petitioner’s complaint that the Financial Statement has not been audited and lodged, the 2nd Respondent’s affidavit in reply affirmed on 15.10.2029 (“Enclosure 50”), namely Exhibits A-7, A-8 and A-9, show the series of exchanges made between the Petitioner, the Company’s employee / representative and the 2nd Respondent communicating and discussing on this issue. The exchanges between them can be summarized as follows: -