in the case of a conviction or acquittal before a foreign court, by a certificate or certified official record of proceedings issued by that foreign court and duly authenticated by the official seal of a Minister of that foreign State, giving the substance and effect of the charge and of the conviction or acquittal.” [25] The appellant’s case in answer to the Public Prosecutor’s Notice of Motion was that some of the transactions involving her CIMB Bank account were carried out without her knowledge and that the monies in both the CIMB and Malayan Bank accounts were derived from legitimate sources and were not the proceeds of any unlawful activity. According to her, she was carrying on a legitimate gold trading business. This was what she said in her affidavit in opposition to the Public Prosecutor’s Notice of Motion: “As First Respondent in this case, I build my career as a businesswoman and my company established in the line of multinationals business such as Manufacturing, Construction, Education, Film and Documentary Producer, Event Management, International Consultant for Development of Pariaman, Indonesia, Family Consultant, Transportation etc. The Second Respondent is the Branch Manager (Kota Kinabalu) of my company. The name of 10 the company is Worldwide Far East Bhd and established since 28.12.2010. The object to this company established are: i. To carry on the business as weavers or otherwise manufacturers, buyers, sellers, importers, exporters and dealers of silk, art silk, synthetic, woolen and cotton fabrics and other fibrous products including dressing and furnishing materials, uniforms, readymade garments. ii. To carry on, all or any in Malaysia or in any part of the world, the business of general merchants, traders, suppliers, importers, stores, storekeepers, removers, packers, brokers, distributors, manufacturers, manufacturers’ representatives, commission agent, insurance, managing financial and general agents, investors, franchisors, carriers ship owners and or in any other capacity and dealers in and to buy, prepare, manufacture, tender marketable, sell, barter, exchange, pledge, charge, make advances on and otherwise deal in or with or turn to account by wholesale or retail goods, education materials, event management, general merchandise, and other commodities of all kinds and description. iii. To carry out on any form of business whatsoever, trade or undertaking whether as principals, agents, sub-agents or consignees and to deal in any form of produce matter or things. As First Respondent, I had obtained a licence from Dewan Bandaraya Kota Kinabalu (DBKK) to operate business in Gold Trading. And I had obtained a letter from Polis Diraja Malaysia (PDRM) and Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) regarding business of Gold Trading. At all material time, the licenced DBKK is under the DBKK control and two letters from PDRM and BNM is under their control which means that the business movement could only be done with the permission from them. As First Respondent in this case, I also done make a Press Conference on 08.10.2012 to show that my business is legal business and run with the permission and licenced from DBKK, PDRM and BNM. I as First Respondent is in the business of trading in gold (the goods). Between the Month of September 2013, Mohd Norazman Bin Mohd Jaya (Refer as First Buyer) and Abdullah B. Lebai Abas (Refer as Second Buyer) had purchased the goods from me on 27.09.2013. Refer to the licence, I had obtained a licence from DBKK to operate a gold trading 11 established under Ordinan Perlesenan Perdagangan 1948 (Ordinan No.16 Tahun 1948) and at that time, the licence still valid until 31.12.2013.” [26] In her affidavit affirmed on 28.9.2015, the appellant had also averred as follows: “24. As First Respondent in this serious matter, I’m successfully proved that the monies in both accounts are comes from legal business and I had obtained a licence from Dewan Bandaraya Kota Kinabalu to operate business in gold trading. No matter what, this licence still valid until 31.12.2013 at the time both of the buyers bought the goods. And I had obtained a letter from Polis DiRaja Malaysia (PDRM) and Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) regarding the business of Gold Trading. At all material time, the licenced DBKK is under the DBKK control and two letter from PDRM and BNM is under their control which means that the business movement could only be done with the permission from them. Refer to the licence, I had obtained a licence from DBKK to operate a gold trading established under Ordinan Perlesenan Perdagangan 1948 (Ordinan No.16 Tahun 1948) and at that time, the licensed still valid until 31.12.2013.” [27] What the appellant omitted to say in the above averments is that she had no valid licence to accept deposits, which is an offence under section 25(1) of the BAFIA. It would have been easy for her to produce the licence if indeed she possessed one, yet she chose not to. It must therefore be taken that she had none. [28] What the appellant did in this case was to write to Bank Negara to seek approval to trade in gold, to which Bank Negara vide paragraph 2 of its letter dated 11.4.2011 responded as follows: “2. Kami ingin memaklumkan bahawa aktiviti membeli atau menjual emas bukanlah di bawah bidang kuasa Bank Negara Malaysia. Sehubungan dengan itu tiada lessen khas atau kebenaran untuk jual beli emas diperlukan daripada Bank. Berdasarkan kepada pindaan terhadap Akta Kawalan Pertukaran 1953 bertarikh 15 Mei 2007, mana-mana individu di Malaysia bebas untuk membeli, meminjam, menjual dan mengeksport emas.” 12 [29] At the conclusion of the proceedings, the learned JC was satisfied that the monies from the two bank accounts were “the proceeds of an unlawful activity”, i.e. illegal deposit taking in contravention of section 25(1) of the BAFIA and that the question of there being a purchaser in good faith for valuable consideration of the properties did not arise. [30] The learned JC rejected the appellant’s claim that the monies were not the proceeds of an illegal deposit taking activity. He was satisfied that the elements of section 56(2)(a)(iii) of the AMLATEPUA had been established. Accordingly, he allowed the Public Prosecutor’s application and ordered the two properties to be forfeited. We reproduce below the learned JC’s findings, in his own words: “Thirdly, the 1st Respondent contends that some of the transactions on the CIMB account were done without her knowledge (the café renovation). I have no difficulty dismissing this contention, firstly because the account was in her personal name, and secondly because there is absolutely no proof whatsoever that the transactions were done without her knowledge. Finally, the 1st Respondent has also contended that the monies in both the CIMB account and in the Malayan Banking’s account were derived from legitimate legal sources and not illegal. This contention too suffers from lack of proof. It is a mere assertion, backed by no proof whatsoever. The 1st Respondent contends that her business was legitimate gold trading business. She said that there was a licence issued by the DBKK. She also produced 2 letters – from Bank Negara and the police. The licence from DBKK is for gold trading. But from the statements of the investors (Encl.1), it was very evidence that there was no gold that was being traded at all. It appears that the licence to trade in gold was nothing more than a front for the illegal deposit trading business. 13 The letters from the police and Bank Negara do not take 1st Respondent’s case very far. They just show that the said agencies had no objection to the gold trading, which this “business” was not at all. The fact that there was a press conference held by the Respondent, implying that the business was carried out openly, does not carry the 1st Respondent’s case anywhere. In the result, the 1st Respondent’s challenge to this application fails.” [31] We found no reason to disagree with the learned JC as his findings were supported by the evidence. This is not a case where there was no evidence or no sufficient evidence to support the findings. It is trite principle that an appellate court does not interfere willy-nilly with findings of fact made by the lower court. The appellate court will only interfere if the findings are so plainly wrong that a miscarriage of justice had thereby been occasioned. [32] Before us, learned counsel for the appellant attacked the learned JC’s decision on four fronts, namely: