Whether, objectively speaking, the representations made under s 20(1) are frivolous or vexatious. If they are, then he may well be justified in refusing a reference. [21] Applying the law to the facts of the case, on the first question, it is quite apparent that there were attempts to resolve the dispute amicably. Two meetings were held on 10.7.2020 and 28.7.2020, but as I indicated earlier, no settlement was reached. [22] In para 8 of his AIR-16, the Minister affirmed as follows: Oleh itu, setelah menjalankan kuasa mengikut budi bicara yang diberikan di bawah seksyen 20(3) Akta 177, saya pada 27.1.2021 telah berpuashati bahawa representasi pembuangan kerja Responden Ketiga wajar dirujuk kepada Responden Kedua. It is therefore clear that since the parties reached no settlement, the only way to settle the dispute is by referring it to the Industrial Court. [23] Learned counsel for the applicant highlighted the issues of the age of the 3rd respondent and the nature of the relationship between the parties. According to learned counsel, since there was no contract of employment, there should not be any reference made under s 20(3). With respect, these are factual and legal issues that ought not to be determined by the Minister. [24] In his AIR-16, the Minister has explained in detail the issues raised in the dispute during the negotiations arranged by the Director General. He has directed his mind to the factual matrix available before him; Exxon Chemical (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd v Menteri Sumber Manusia, Malaysia & Ors [2007] 2 CLJ 97 FC. [25] In fact, the Minister was under a duty to refer the matter to the Industrial Court for resolution. In delivering the judgment of the Court of Appeal in Subramaniam a/l Letchimanan v The United States of America & Anor Appeal [2021] 5 MLJ 612 CA, Lee Swee Seng JCA remarked as follows: We agree with the learned SFC that provided that the representation relates to the allegation of dismissal without just cause or excuse and that the serious issue of fact and law has relevance to the dispute, the Minister is under a duty to refer the matter to the Industrial Court for resolution. [26] Now, the issue of whether there was a contract of employment or otherwise, the nature of the relationship between the applicant company and the 3rd respondent, whether the arrangement was purely business between the applicant company and Amegajaya or whether the 3rd respondent is eligible to claim despite his age can only be resolved by the Industrial Court. [27] In Subramaniam, the appellant workman, a Malaysian, had been working as a security guard for the United States of America (USA) Embassy in Kuala Lumpur. Ten years later, the workman was terminated without being informed of the reasons. [28] Unbeknown to the workman, the USA Embassy had, on 22.3.2019, sent a representation to the Director General arguing that sovereign immunity applied and that the matter should not be referred at all to the Industrial Court. The Minister was subsequently informed by the DGIR that there was no resolution of the dispute between the workman and the embassy. After considering the representations of the parties, the minister decided to refer the matter to the Industrial Court. Aggrieved, the USA made an application for judicial review to the High Court, arguing that state immunity applied and that the Minister was wrong in law to have referred the dispute to the Industrial Court. The High Court held, inter alia, that the doctrine of sovereign immunity was applicable. [29] On appeal, the Court of Appeal held that the Industrial Court should not be sidestepped from deciding on the assertion of State immunity based on a judicial review application. The question concerning the nature of his role as a security guard could only be determined at the fact-finding stage at the Industrial Court. [30] The Court of Appeal further held that: Whatever it is, the evidence could only be more properly adduced at the Industrial Court where the matter would be heard and parties may cross-examine each other on the exact nature of the workman’s employment and the act of dismissal. [31] In any event, the issue of whether the 3rd respondent is of retirement age or otherwise can be taken up as a preliminary issue before the Industrial Court. [32] As to the second question, I do not respectfully think that the representation made by the 3rd respondent under s 20(1) of the IRA is frivolous or vexatious. In the letter of dismissal dated 30.4.2020, the applicant recognised that the 3rd respondent was employed as the CEO of the applicant company. If the 3rd respondent was never in the employment of the applicant company in the first place, as learned counsel urged me to conclude, then why is the necessity to terminate his employment? I am not in any way trying to pre-empt the issue, but these are questions that the Industrial Court is designed to resolve. [33] The representation made under s 20(1) of the IRA is not frivolous or vexatious and I so hold. Finding [34] The Minister had addressed the two questions required in Hong Leong Equipment in arriving at his decision. [35] For the aforesaid reasons, the impugned decision is not tainted with Anisminic error or Wednesbury unreasonable to make it amenable to judicial review. [36] This application for judicial review is dismissed with costs of RM3,000 each to the 1st and 3rd respondents subject to allocatur. There shall be no order as to costs against the Industrial Court. Tarikh: 5th September 2022. (WAN AHMAD FARID BIN WAN SALLEH) Hakim Mahkamah Tinggi Kuala Lumpur.