(b) and (c) relying on evidence that the company is unable to pay its debt and therefore there was no need for the petitioner to issue the statutory notice as the petitioner is not relying on the presumption under paragraph (a) of the said section 218 (2). The court held – As for the contention that no proper notice under s. 218(2)(a) of the Act has been given I find in this case that the notice is in the circumstances unnecessary and I order that it be dispensed with as the petition is not wholly founded under s. 218(2)(a) of the Companies Act. I am of the 20 view that s. 218(2)(a)(b) and (c) are mutually exclusive and on the facts and in the exercise of its discretion a company can be wound up by the Court on any of the grounds (a), (b) or (c). (emphasis added) [23] Thus by the above authorities (which concerns paragraphs (a), (b) and/or (c) of section 218 (2) of the CA 1965 which is identical to section 466 (1) of the CA 2016), a winding up petition may be commenced on any one of the grounds pursuant to section 466 (1) (a), (b) and/or (c). Each of the paragraph, as demonstrated in the authorities referred to above, relate to different circumstances upon which a respondent company are deemed to be unable to pay its debts. [24] One of the basis forwarded by the Respondent for arguing paragraph (a) ought to be read with either paragraph (b) or (c) of section 466 (1) of the CA 2016 is that if the said paragraphs (b) and (c) were to be read separately from paragraph (a), the new section 466 (2) of the same would be redundant. The only correct and significant point pointed out by learned counsel for the Respondent in that argument is that section 466 (1) of the CA 2016 is indeed a new provision not found in the repealed CA 1965. Other than that, in particular the manner how he interpreted the said section 466 (1) is flawed and misconstrued. For all intent and purposes the said section 466 (2) which is so patently and 21 plainly drafted, is specifically meant to be complied in a situation under paragraph (a) of section 466 (1) (a) and not for situations under paragraph (b) and (c) where there is no requirement whatsoever for a statutory demand to be issued prior to the presentation of a winding up petition. [25] Learned counsel for the Respondent contended based on the Hansard Report in Parliament it is crystal clear that the real intention of Parliament when enacting the said section 466 of the CA 2016 is to set 2 pre-conditions before any winding up petition can be filed in court. The conditions are that, firstly the debts owing must be more than RM5,000.00 and secondly the statutory notice of 21 days must be complied with. This so called pre-conditions are incorporated in section 466 (1) (a). The said Hansard Report which was furnished by the Respondent in its Bundle of Authorities as Tab 3 is a one (1) page document which appears to be a running page extracted from a document relating to “Syarikat” and this document appears to have more than 661 pages. Perusing that particular page, the document appears to explain the various provisions in respect of “Fasal 466” until “Fasal 471”. The learned counsel referred to and quoted “Fasal 466” which reads as follows – 22 Fasal 466 bertujuan untuk mengadakan peruntukan bagi takrif ‘ketidakmampuan untuk membayar hutang’ oleh sebuah syarikat. Fasal ini menjelaskan bahawa jika syarikat tidak mampu membayar hutang apabila syarikat itu keterhutangan dalam jumlah yang melebihi lima ribu ringgit dan notis tuntutan telah disampaikan kepada syarikat dan syarikat itu telah mengabaikan pembayaran jumlah wang itu dalam jangka masa yang ditetapkan. Fasal ini selanjutnya menyatakan bahawa tempoh untuk memfailkan petisyen di Mahkamah untuk menggulung syarikat adalah dalam tempoh enam bulan dari tarikh tamat tempoh notis permintaan. [26] Hansard are official records or minutes of proceedings in Parliament. With regards to reference to Hansard, the Federal Court in Rossarin Nuekaew V. PP [2017] 8 CLJ 503; [2017] 1 LNS 1128 said – [16] … We would state here that in construing a statute a reference to Parliamentary report of proceedings or Hansard is permitted as an aid to statutory interpretation where the enactment is ambiguous, obscure or which if literally construed might lead to an absurdity, provided that the statement reported in the Hansard was made by a Minister or the promoter of a Bill. (See the case of Chor Phaik Har v. Farlim Properties Sdn Bhd [1994] 4 CLJ 285; [1994] 3 MLJ 345) Thus for purpose of interpreting a statute, courts are allowed to refer to Hansard provided the statute concerned is ambiguous and the statement reported in the Hansard was made by a Minister. 23 [27] Having perused the said one page document, it is seriously doubt that that one page document is a Hansard of the Parliament. I say so for the following reasons –